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Pine & Ojai Mid-Day ? ?

Postby bb_secretary » Wed May 10, 2017 10:21 am

Posted on Behalf of Chris Clontz by Secretary

From: chris clontz
Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM
To: Eagle Paragliding
Subject: Summer Pine Mtn. midday flying

Hi Rob!

Do you have any weather condition tips and/or safety tips for launching Pine Mountain in Ojai during mid-afternoon (10:30AM-noon) in the summer? I'm itching to do XC flights from Pine in the summers, and this one looks like a great opportunity because my dad (who just retired from his career), wants to drive retrieve for me! However, I've only ever been to Pine for evening glass offs, which only had me going to land at the sand pile after a short while. I'd like to do midday in order to go places either on the Ojai range toward Fillmore or SB, or over the back of Pine to the Lockwood Valley. I picked Marty's brain a little last week, and he warned me of the "50/50" among other things in the desert valleys.

In my experience during glass offs with Chris Grantham, I've been told to get away from launch and proceed to the spine out front and to the right of launch, trying to intercept it above the broken Bonsai-looking pine tree. Cycles for launch were usually light and straight in. During midday, I imagine the cycles are a lot stronger (especially over the summer), and I've heard from Bruce Kirk that he experienced getting lifted straight up after launching midday one time. Is there anything else to watch out for on launch?

For wind forecasts, I've been looking at the Santa Barbara Airport winds aloft forecast by NOAA and the Topa Flyers lapse rate charts for balloon forecasts.

For real-time conditions, I've been looking at the following station, which I believe is slightly lower and to the west of launch (it looks like it's messed up at the moment though):
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=KJ6QEF-1

I've also been looking at a generic Weather Underground website for real-time conditions in Ojai town (Ojai City Public Works Yard at Elev. 713 ft.).

Thanks for any advice you can give! :) -Clontzy
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Re: Pine & Ojai Mid-Day ? ?

Postby sd » Wed May 10, 2017 10:42 am

Chirs Clontz wrote:... Do you have any weather condition tips and/or safety tips for launching Pine Mountain in Ojai during mid-afternoon (10:30AM-noon) in the summer? ...

Chris, good morning.

I’ll try to post something more useful in the next week or 2, but just a few brief notes.

Pine is an omni directional flying site that sits at the juncture of multiple competing airmass. It is high, above the marine layer, and a stepping stone to the high meadows which can be good flat land thermal zones.

Mid-summer, the inland thermal draw is usually dominant resulting in too much midday wind from the south for PGs. The wind is feeding the inland thermal draw. You want to pick days that have a little north in the winds aloft forecast that can resist the inland draw. Most of the long distance flights from Pine are late Summer as the inland draw starts to relax from mid-August through September. Late spring and early summer (May through mid-June-ish) also sometimes yield less wind from the south.

Flight routes vary depending on the day. You can run the range low SB style 6 miles to Decision Point and back, or continue on across the “Chute” to Thorne Point (11 miles, not as easy to cross back), but most long distance flights are on days with big altitude where you want to think like a buzzard and zig along the meandering convergence seams. Lockwood Valley (high valley meadow) is the main draw and will pull from all directions down low.

Crossing I-5 is the biggest obstacle, and more problematic with increasing wind from the south. Going east across the Antelope Valley will vary depending on the day. Some days you will be on the south side, others the north, often down the middle, but most days you will need to angle northeast prior to reaching the more stable filling flow coming up the Santa Clara River (about midway between I-5 and Hwy 14). Late in the season you can sometimes go south of Edwards AFB, but most days you will be pushed north of the base.

Pine is often not flyable for PGs mid-day mid-summer due to the south wind but works better for HGs because they are faster.

Ojai is more reliable and soarable most days, but is usually below the big altitude threshold (it is in the more laminar filling flow that feeds the higher terrain to the north). The distance potential is limited unless you are willing to continue OTB behind the Topa Bluffs into the non-retrievable wilderness (toward Devils Heart). You can usually reach Fillmore, and on occasion connect to the desert along the Santa Clara River route, but the summer river air is relatively cold and heavy so it is rare to go much past Fillmore.

Upper Ojai acts like a mini Lockwood Valley and draws in from both directions. About 1500 feet, it is the locally high meadow and will often yield the “Upper Ojai Convergence” toward the east end. The Bluffs are scenic but can be intimidating midday. Later in the day you can top land at the Bluffs, but I wouldn’t want to walk down. Chiefs Launch is a pretty easy top landing spot. http://paraglide.net/log/13/13_11-24/jpg/2013_11-24f_chiefs_launch.jpg

Ojai is a little inland, but not as much as Marshall. It is influenced by the marine air coming up the Ventura River. Marshall tends to work good late in the day, but Ojai will often work better earlier before the marine air fills in. Most pilots will plug upwind down-hill toward Nordhoff, which is usually toward more stable river air, but I recommend reaching eastbound uphill toward the Bluffs, away from the filling flow. The Topa Bluffs are a detour when racing on a short clock from Santa Barbara, but launching from Chiefs in the summer the course is limited so you have plenty of time to poke around and test for max altitude at the Topa Bluffs.

Going OTB from the Bluffs likely works on good days, but I’ve only done it a few times because it is into wilderness and I don’t have the ability to hike out.
http://paraglide.net/log/14/09-14/1_nuthouse_past_garlock_111_mi.htm
You can also reach back toward Thorne Point, Pine, or the Watershed Divide Convergence, but you will need a good day to make those connections.

Santa Anna events tend to be spring and fall, but we did get a hurricane a couple summers ago that offered some unstable east flow in July
http://paraglide.net/log/15/07-19/1_fillmore_to_santa_ynez_67_mi.htm

:) Tom Truax | aka SD / Sundowner
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Re: Pine & Ojai Mid-Day ? ?

Postby Tony Deleo » Tue May 16, 2017 5:34 pm

hmmm :lol:

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"Always fly cross country, that is where freedom and adventure are"
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Postby bb_secretary » Fri May 26, 2017 10:21 am

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